There is no consensus among historical linguists concerning the original homeland of the Afroasiatic family, or the period when the parent language (i.e. The second part of this sentence should be enough for a joint paper does he insist that much on making the first part explicit? To have groupings at all implies some mechanism for wiping out diversity. a fish, especially when used as food, 2. a side dish, specifically referring to fish . Omitting the vocalic base would result in unpronounceable nonwords, that is, forms that are both phonologically and morphologically illegal. A long time ago, on a website far, far away, there was a page on archelology, with lolcat captions on archeology-related pictures. This is the most typical pattern, where languages within the core of an area may share many features, but the geographical extent of the individual traits may vary considerably one from another. ", Well, lexically it's strikingly close to Berber, but orders of magnitude more diverse, and the inherited complex morphology seems to get restructured as you go south, so my guess would be 2; but it can only be a guess. I just noticed I missed a whole bunch of comments here. On the other hand, WOV as a whole has some suggestive features, like what appears to be a radically simplified verbal system, and (judging by diversity) the centre of gravity of Oti-Volta is well to the east, in Benin, so that WOV and Buli/Konni may well be historical intrusions from the east. But could this article on an Old Nubian letter help you believe his assertion that The /g/ is just the development of an ancient *d as aneffect of dissimilation is more than just cherry-picking. It is understandable. Linguistically, I think thats where Basque, Minoan and in situ Hattic come from. fourth century AD). Consider examples la and lb below. Does OV commonly have nouns which are clearly fossilized deverbals? With respect to the criterion of the bundling of areal traits, some scholars had thought that such clustering at the boundaries of a linguistic area might be necessary or at least helpful for defining linguistic areas properly. Related to the category of gender, classifier systems prototypically have to do with counting, and we can see a faint bit of it in English: five head of cattle, six pieces of furniture and related measure phrases. I had believed that ur- as meaning ancient or prototypical was a recent coinage as archaeologists came to recognize Ur as the earliest and prototypical city. -, *- , , . By far the most widely spoken Afroasiatic language or dialect continuum is Arabic. It is the cats who have domesticated us. They could otkochevat* from Africa to the Middle East, pick up tools and then go back, armed with bronze and iron and cattle and then with books. Thanks for the further perspective on NS as well. 0 Ozwords (a blog from the Australian National Dictionary Centre) Wiesbaden: Reichert], I cant find it. The evidence from Wadi el-Hol suggests that development of the script was significantly motivated by written-communication needs among Semitic-speaking mercenaries serving in the Egyptian army. It certainly helps to be familiar with at least one of the languages in question, but even that neednt imply actual residence in the area. They (well, Robin a name the owner of which should be required to provide their pronouns) come up with 17% of their list of 258 etymons. I browsed through Wictionarys list of translations looking for polyichthia (or pleoichthy?). An obviously related question is history of domestication**-mutualism-synanthropism-synailourism. In which case there was nothing to be diluted. The early Amorites may or may not have been a somewhat heterogeneous group, speaking several closely related but already distinct West Semitic languages; the precise temporal relation between the Amorite language and Ugartic, for example, remains to be teased out. Where does the 3-D come from? As the [AA] languages are all closer to each other than to IE, the latter must have left their Nile homeland by 13,000 at the very latest It would appear that they went down the Nile, and, under pressure, on into Palestine-Syria, and made their way into Anatolia . In the south of the Arabian peninsula a distinct consonantal script had appeared by at least the sixth century BC, and certainly had begun to develop several hundred years earlier. I thought it was more like Arab raiders in Africa or Viking raiders in some places: burn a village, steal some women and slaves, come back in a few years and do it again. On what basis is it decided that some region constitutes a linguistic area? To summarize, patients never produce items that would result in nonwords in their language, that is, they omit inflections only if the language permits. * Of course, they might be related. Not so: morphology is not the sole evidence. Ive just realised that the link I gave doesnt lead to a downloadable pdf. 2a and 2b below). This is hardly limited to Latin American Spanish: Era un marinero de los buenos, saba nadar como un pescado, sealaban al acordarse del fallecido. I think a lot of the comparative (sorry) backwardness of comparative work with African languages boils down to the fact that only a handful of people are actually interested in doing it at all, and that some of those, even, are more enthusiastic than careful. Language production typically starts out with utterances, as behavioral elements which provide the initial basis for expressing relations between semantic content and phonetic form. I get the impression that the Romans were not keen on navigating in the River Ocean if they could help it. So yes, I support Macrocushitic. The former is fisu, following this varietys general trend of by default getting all the content words from Swedish (including a majority of the Swadesh list); the latter is *erig > Udm. 100% of African population was influenced by/partially descended from the same Eurasian populations which brought agriculture to Europe. Scientific hypotheses arent often a matter of either-or. Ive seen plenty of papers that took horribly outdated trees from the literature, spliced them together in unsupportable ways, and used that. The problem of variability in aphasia has been linked to the role of language-specific features in language processing, among other factors. The sci.lang FAQ Underlying ghoti is obscured by nasty laringeals. Thanks, drasvi: thats clarifying. familiar thing. Im trying to understand the argument that something other than the movement of significant numbers of people relying on some technological advantage would impose relative uniformity of language. So this absence is not a neutral thing to be blithely ignored in comparative work: its a powerful argument against Mande being related to Volta-Congo at all. He is actually usually very sound over lower-level subclassification. We must all make sacrifices for the Cause. (African folklore is poor and overwhelmingly of Eurasian origin, no comparison to uniqueness and richness of Native American or Australian Aboriginal folklore). Another commonality is the general development observed across children from rote-learning of unanalyzed items to partial productivity followed by command of structure-dependent rules and generalizations, which are subsequently constrained by conventions of lexical and discourse usage. To me, separate movements of Natufian related peoples at widely divergent periods, into Egypt, North African and Ethiopia (more than once), where they found a crazy diversity of substrates that in some cases involved hunter-gatherers whose languages may have been diverging for 70,000 years or more in situ, and interacted with them for centuries in non-state settings where most forces were centrifugal, few were homogenizing. I can change gender by suffixation, or in a childish manner by adding -a to make it feminine (regularized in Latvian for human beings) and changing agreement (regularized in Russian for human beings). Also, my posts should be taken as conversation-starters; there is no expectation of staying on topic,and some of the best threads have gone in entirely unexpected directions. Lameen, Im genuinely curious about an unpublished piece Blench posted on his website Saharan and Songhay form a branch of Nilo-Saharan Roger Blench and Lameen Souag draft from the Afrikanistentag Koln in 2012. Syntax is quite often borrowed. I just typed this postscriptum in a hurry. (Thats a World Cup joke, for those who arent into that sort of thing.). I think a better comparison than Sanskrit/PIE and (presumed) Meroitic/NES would be of Gaulish and PIE. I cant find it now, but theres a letter in Old Nubian where geminated ds wander into g according to the transliterator. If you cant find a formal reason to not find two forms cognate, score them as cognate in your dataset. Though given todays news, it might have been more topical for me to find new scholarship on Kehf el-Boroud! Y Geiriadur Mawr misleadingly glosses this math o bisgodyn mawr syn llamu or dr, mr-fochyn a kind of big fish [sic] which leaps out of the water, sea-pig, but doesnt actually define mr-fochyn sea-pig anywhere. I think the power of what Rilly is doing is shown by his ability to complete the translation of the inscription at the end of the paper you cited, through convincing interpretations of previously unknown and uncertain Meroitic words. However, the term is pretty common in American cultureespecially, as I indicated, but not entirely, in the West. I suspect that given time, on the American steppe the equestrian Sioux. In addition to languages spoken today, Afroasiatic includes several important ancient languages, such as Ancient Egyptian, which forms a distinct branch of the family, and within the Semitic family, Akkadian, Biblical Hebrew and Old Aramaic. (Blench has argued for 1, with Chadic being somehow most closely related to Cushitic, but that makes no sense to me.). Wordorigins All comments are copyright their original posters. n&5/V/UHSNP\.\Xo 1>xv.EIskUoY0H]jDsG*h$ &5[5<8- (Why the problem has not been enunciated more clearly and confronted systematically is also rather difficult to understand, but need not divert us here. All this is, of course, exactly why careful study of areal and contact phenomena is not in opposition to comparative work, but an essential part of it. may testify to the arrival of these new population groups. Marcel Cohen (1924) rejected the idea of a distinct Hamitic subgroup and included Hausa (a Chadic language) in his comparative Hamito-Semitic vocabulary. The latter are the weaker. The quoted dictionary records this usage for everywhere outside the Southern Cone. The earliest reference there is to a sexalingual dictionary of Poletika a translation of John Rays trilingual nomenclator classicus (he added Russian, French and German glosses to English, greek and Latin). Turns out that Nabta is a nearby local place name, and Playa is a technical term for the local relief feature specifically, a technical term that is typically used in the (south)western USA, and consequently familiar to the University of Colorado archaeologists who discovered the site. Thus, in acquiring the sound system, babies proceed from universal crying to uttering a range of speech sounds, followed by babbling, which is increasingly restricted to elements of the native language to a point where eventually the system will be so constrained as to impose a non-native pronunciation in other languages. When we formulate questions as related or not? we may actually confuse the matter. West-Indo-European affinities of Anatolian. The evidence seems weakly suggestive, italics in the original. And anyone who thinks they need to proclaim banalities like these to the satirist Dorothy Parker is in the same situation. Sociolinguistics also recognizes shift to prestige dialects (with an assumption that prestige reflects preferences), then there are registers. Bantus Of Africa Are The Israelites. It had also occurred to me to wonder whether ur was related to the city name in that way, but I rejected it as impossible, since I knew I had encountered ur in sources that were too old to be consistent with that origin. I dont have a text before my eyes to analyze. This was before the Day of the Trawler. seems greatly at variance with the actual syllabic structure of any of the languages in question. For that matter, what is the Proto-Permic one? but it seems like something that would make sense in the kinds of marsh/estuary zones where urbanization and protostates first emerged (like southern mesopotamia, to get back to the semites), and where city-state territorial expansion arguably established key conditions for translocal languages. The revolutionary discoveries at Ebla (Tell Mardikh) unveiled a hitherto unknown palatial state equal to Sumer, and an unknown Semitic language, called Eblaite, found on cuneiform tablets in the Palace G archive. Ku(d) referred to both fresh and salty varieties, and the same sign was used as a semantic determiner for fish of all kettles. I though aha! and apparently ! Compare Stachelschwein, porcupine, literally sting pig. . As others have said, basal means farthest from what Im interested in at the moment. Sayd is an Arabic word for fishes and this is our speciality. ( .) Yes, thanks. From another thread: Actually there was a study from two sites in Morocco (5000 and 3000 BC) and one site in Iberia (5000) that found European admixture in the younger Moroccan site. (link). A Dictionary of Tocharian B (with etymologies) Learn more. Ive just discovered that Roger Blenchs Archaeology, Language and African Past, that drasvi kindly pointed to above, contains the following words from Samuel Johnson himself, no less: There is no tracing the connection of ancient nations but by language; and therefore I am always sorry when any language is lost, because languages are the pedigree of nations. Separately, the comments about the sizes of fish around the world set me thinking. http://languagehat.com/proto-indo-european-fox/. Without worries over some arbitrary minimum number of defining traits, it is safe to say that some areas are more securely established because they contain many shared traits, whereas other areas may be more weakly defined because their languages share fewer areal traits. Sapirs Language is even olderer, but more fun. Its not at all obvious what any substrate languages would have been, though Grusi and Mande must be the likeliest candidates. That reminds me of this Russian paper on Hadza finding that some 20% of the most basic vocabulary of this outlier language, and a bit of the grammar, is AA. Teutsch-lateinisches und russisches Lexicon: samt denen Anfangs-Grnden der Russischen Sprache, 1731 (based on Ehrenreich Weismanns Lexikon bipartitum latino-germanicum et germanico-latinum. In Oman/Yemen they have both and variations of , this one is at least obvious. 2009; 276: 2703-2710. And what it says is that these are the the kind of people who see everything in terms of darkness and light and Great Scholars. Certainly on libgen), and there: But in the absence of morphological evidence the uncertainty is inevitably greater, and if your lexical evidence is not particularly strong you may end up unable to prove the relationship satisfactorily at all. that a locational word is used in the English participle. When that came to an end would be when. Sadly, it was pushed away from the market by Apple and Google. Im not sure that this is creative in the sense that you mean, but the vague-ish meanings associated with the various classes are often exploited for derivational purposes; given that the class suffixes are flexions, I suppose that technically this is a kind of null derivation, though the term doesnt seem very apt. And I dont think his mud forms support it (even if he can explain the vowel changes.). Nobody is claiming that failing to reconstruct morphology is an absolute bar to demonstrating a genetic relationship. That wouldnt necessarily lead to the expansion of a language group, but it wouldnt be surprising. He later added Semitic and Beja to Chadic-Berber-Egyptian and tentatively proposed Ongota as a new third branch of Erythraean. 1. (I may be unfair. The terms Hamitic and Semitic were etymologically derived from the Book of Genesis, which describes various Biblical tribes descended from Ham and Shem, two sons of Noah. 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